Donald Glover as Peter Parker

[Qwo]

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Last week, we reported about five actors rumored to be on the shortlist to play Peter Parker in Marc Webb’s Spider-Man reboot. The website io9 ran an editorial about why they didn’t want yet another white guy superhero–a sentiment I couldn’t agree with more. The people in the comments section of the editorial came up with a sixth name that should be on the list: Donald Glover (Community, Mystery Team). Glover is charismatic, funny, and age-appropriate for the role. He’s also a huge fan of the character. In response, the actor/writer/comedian began a Twitter campaign for the chance to audition for the role. Tonight #donald4spiderman became the third-highest trending topic on Twitter. The Facebook campaign has also amassed over 3,000 fans and climbing.

For more of my thoughts on why casting Glover would make the Spider-Man reboot worth it, hit the jump.

I’ve had trouble finding a single person who thinks that Sony’s decision to reboot Spider-Man was a good idea. We’ve heard “Oh, it will be gritty and contemporary” this time, as if the Raimi Spider-Man movies were mindless action films. To cast Glover or any actor who challenges the notion of what Spider-Man has been or can be would provide a reason for this reboot’s existence, elevating it from the cynical cashgrab it currently is.

We ran an editorial last year suggesting that Will Smith would make a good Captain America. The comments section exploded in controversy, even though there was at least some basis in the comics for a black Captain America. I don’t know if fans would accept a non-white Spider-Man, but I don’t really care. It’s not an affirmative-action move. It’s asking the question: is there anything inherently white about Spider-Man’s story? Yes, Stan Lee wrote Peter Parker as a white character, but is there anything about that character’s story that wouldn’t work for a man of any non-white ethnicity?

Even Glover says he shouldn’t be given the part outright, but I agree that he deserves the chance to at least audition. I know studios are scared to do anything risky when it comes to an $80 million movie, but I’m willing to bet there’s going to be a lack of enthusiasm for this reboot if people don’t see anything fresh about it. Casting a young, talented non-white actor for Spider-Man would get people talking about what is currently a movie with no reason to exist.

http://www.collider.com/2010/05/31/spider-man-reboot-donald-glover-twitter-campaign-marc-webb-sony/

Make it so.

[Lokais]

But his name is Spiderman, not Spiderboy.

Too subtle?

[Bisquick]

There was a black Annie- why not a black Spiderman.

[tas]

maybe im just a racist but i hate when movie studios do this

just make up a black hero for christs sake

[Bisquick]

will smith as Hancock.
horrible

[nikolai]

maybe im just a racist but i hate when movie studios do this

just make up a black hero for christs sake

yeah, you're a racist

people have too much race-consciousness, too much identity associated with skin color

it also annoys me when people have to physically match up with what a character in a book looks like

that's not how theatre works, why should movies be that way

[Qwo]

haha ahhhh

[$1.25]

and sex conscious too right nik

maybe a woman should be spiderman

i mean

theatre!

[Lokais]

Hey guys, I'm a fat Native American baby. Can I play Spiderman??

[Qwo]

anyway I'm fine with this for the same reason I'm fine with Nick Fury being black

race is inconsequential for Spider Man

Will Smith as Captain America would be pretty dumb, though

[nikolai]

and sex conscious too right nik

maybe a woman should be spiderman

i mean

theatre!

sure, why not

it would be interesting.

and will smith as captain america would be dumb, because it would be will smith playing will smith with a captain america costume

[tas]

whether you want it to be or not nik race is a defining personal characteristic

i mean, make a black spiderman if you want, as long as its not peter parker. i wont care then. but i mean they already made the kingpin and nick fury black.

and the issue isnt even about breaking down race barriers. if they were to decide to make a negro spiderman it would only be to broaden their target demographic. all about the benjamins.

[$1.25]

i think shaq should be cast as spiderman

i mean he already has experience playing superheros

[Lokais]

Hahahaha, negro Spiderman.

[Qwo]

just give the whole project to Tyler Perry

Tyler Perry as Aunt May and Jonah Jameson

everyone is black

[$1.25]

spiders are black

it makes sense

[Lokais]

spiders are black

it makes sense

Some are brown. Cheech as Spiderman.

[$1.25]

maybe peter turns black after hes bit

[tas]

maybe peter parker is white but the voice of spiderman is black

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

maybe im just a racist but i hate when movie studios do this

just make up a black hero for christs sake

Well you will love the fact that Marvel Studios cast a Black and Asian guy In the Warriors Three for Thor.

[tas]

i dont even know what thor is in a comic book context

[nikolai]

whether you want it to be or not nik race is a defining personal characteristic

i mean, make a black spiderman if you want, as long as its not peter parker. i wont care then. but i mean they already made the kingpin and nick fury black.

and the issue isnt even about breaking down race barriers. if they were to decide to make a negro spiderman it would only be to broaden their target demographic. all about the benjamins.

it's only a defining personal characteristic because of the made-up emphasis put on it

if this donald glover can bring something to the role, and he's a talent to watch, then it shouldn't overly detract from your experience if he doesn't fit your mental image

there are certain qualities about spiderman that you can't just throw away, however

spiderman isn't physically imposing, he's still a geek, he's got an attitude and wit and humor. that sort of thing.

that's why a shaq spiderman would be inappropriate. haha. shaq spiderman.

[tas]

theres no made up emphasis. its completely naturally occurring. people notice physical differences in others before anything else. its just the way it is.

[Qwo]

Well you will love the fact that Marvel Studios cast a Black and Asian guy In the Warriors Three for Thor.
what?

Volstagg and Fandral are being played by white guys

Hogun is being played by an asian

spoiler: Hogun is asian

[tas]

why not make mary jane a brunette

[Qwo]

tas is correct

[nikolai]

i would like mary jane better if she were brunette

because of my bias against gingers

i can't help but associate gingers with horrible social and genetic defects based on the color of their hair

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

what?

Volstagg and Fandral are being played by white guys

Hogun is being played by an asian

spoiler: Hogun is asian

You are right. It seems the other guy backed out for another role and they re-cast as white dude.

This was guy who was going to be Fandral http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/whattheflick/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/idris_elba_blackprwire1.jpg

[Tickle Me D8alus]

yeah, you're a racist

people have too much race-consciousness, too much identity associated with skin color

it also annoys me when people have to physically match up with what a character in a book looks like

that's not how theatre works, why should movies be that way

Bullshit. Peter Parker was white. I'd be just as pissed if they tried to make Storm white.

When a character's identity is already firmly established, don't try to change it just for racial equality. That is the real racism here.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

i would like mary jane better if she were brunette

because of my bias against gingers

i can't help but associate gingers with horrible social and genetic defects based on the color of their hair

On a positive ginger girls never need to bleach their vag/anus.

[nikolai]

what is the science behind that phenomenon, i wonder

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Hell, for that matter, I hated Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne because he was fucking blond. Does that make me racist, nik?

[nikolai]

you sound like my family in alabama right now

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Changing the aesthetics of a character also changes the impression that character makes.

[edit]And as tas said, you want to make a black Spidey? Fine. Just don't make him Peter Parker.

[nikolai]

let's say you watched a movie where the character's physical appearance was slightly different from your mental image of their physical appearance

and it ruined your enjoyment of the movie

you would be retarded

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Let's say you made a movie where you changed the ethnicity of the character for no reason other than so-called "racial equality"


you would be retarded.

[nikolai]

i dunno, though, is that the reason why i'm arguing for it

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Hey, let's make Mr. Terrific asian!

Hey, let's make Superman a midget!

Hey, let's drill a hole in the side of our heads with a teaspoon!

[Tickle Me D8alus]

i dunno, though, is that the reason why i'm arguing for it

It sure sounds that way.

You carry white man's guilt well, young one.

[nikolai]

yes or no question, d8

did i actually say or argue on the basis of politically correct racial equality

if you say yes, well, you're easily proven wrong, just re-read the thread

if you say no, well you're admitting that rather than actually read what I said

you're kinda just repeating the dumb arguments I hear all people in alabama use

[nikolai]

see, my argument is simple

you are way too caught up with race as it relates to identity

and, in general, too caught up with appearance as it relates to identity

the fact that most people in society are just like you does not change anything

most people are wrong

and i'm right

feels good, man

[Qwo]

Fandral was always going to be played by a white guy, after all he's basically Errol Flynn

Stuart Townsend was the one who was initially cast

[Tickle Me D8alus]

see, my argument is simple

you are way too caught up with race as it relates to identity

and, in general, too caught up with appearance as it relates to identity

the fact that most people in society are just like you does not change anything

most people are wrong

and i'm right

feels good, man

You're not right; you're delusional.

So you'd be ok with making a new Xmen movie where Storm is a blonde cheerleader from Beverly Hills?


edit: I'm no more caught up with race than I am with gender, hair color and nationality. Don't fuck with a character just to be PC.

Especially not a character that's been around longer than you have.

[nikolai]

nothing would bother me because it's a comic book

do whatever the hell you want

if it's interesting, i'll watch it

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Fandral was always going to be played by a white guy, after all he's basically Errol Flynn

Stuart Townsend was the one who was initially cast

You are correct again my friend. The Black guy is playing Heimdall. I am all kinds of turned around on this.



As for Black Peter Parker I think you are giving D8 a hard time here. What you have is an already established character. So to re-cast him as Black would just be strange and forced. However Nik would be correct if say Peter Parker were a brand new character to us and you read the description as "Nerdy socially akward teenager, super inteligent and etc etc etc" THEN decided that that character being Black would not be correct. That would be shades of racism.

[nikolai]

thinking of it as strange and forced is latent racism

[nikolai]

how dare they cast a woman as peter pan

HE'S A MAN, HIS CHARACTER IS A MAN

how strange, how forced.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

thinking of it as strange and forced is latent racism

Negative.

A Chinese guy cast as a Japanese character is easily identified and seems strange.

Prove me racist there?

[Tickle Me D8alus]

You are correct again my friend. The Black guy is playing Heimdall. I am all kinds of turned around on this.



As for Black Peter Parker I think you are giving D8 a hard time here. What you have is an already established character. So to re-cast him as Black would just be strange and forced. However Nik would be correct if say Peter Parker were a brand new character to us and you read the description as "Nerdy socially akward teenager, super inteligent and etc etc etc" THEN decided that that character being Black would not be correct. That would be shades of racism.


Exactly. Hell, I was ok with the change for Ultimate Nick Fury just because his personality and appearance fit the feel of the ultimate universe much better than another 616 Nick would.

[Qwo]

So you'd be ok with making a new Xmen movie where Storm is a blonde cheerleader from Beverly Hills?
You're retarded. Making Peter Parker black is utterly different from making Storm white.

Peter Parker is a dorky teen from NYC who lives with his aunt and uncle.

Storm is Queen of Wakanda, daughter of a Kenyan, was orphaned in Cairo, and she meets the Black Panther in the Serengeti and later marries him.

One of these can be easily race-changed.

One of these is not like the other.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

how dare they cast a woman as peter pan

HE'S A MAN, HIS CHARACTER IS A MAN

how strange, how forced.

They cast a woman as peter pan and she spent the entire time pretending to be a male character.

Go ahead and cast a black peter parker and make him up like a white guy and then come back to me.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Exactly. Hell, I was ok with the change for Ultimate Nick Fury just because his personality and appearance fit the feel of the ultimate universe much better than another 616 Nick would.

Thats because before he was forgettable and lame so you welcomed a re-inventing. Peter Parker is Iconic and established.

To me it would be like casting a black guy to play Richard Nixon. But I MUST BE RACIST because I would find that strange.

[nikolai]

Negative.

A Chinese guy cast as a Japanese character is easily identified and seems strange.

Prove me racist there?

that's a different kind of racism, in that hollywood typecasts asians into vague asian roles or creates asian characters who are an amalgam of many different ideas that americans have about asia

but if the chinese man actually played the part well, it wouldn't be an issue

it would actually be interesting because the chinese man would have to immerse himself in a different culture to play it well, and watching the on-screen acting skill unfold would be both entertaining and intriguing

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

bla bla bla vague rebuttal I admit defeat

Fixed.

[Qwo]

Thats because before he was forgettable and lame so you welcomed a re-inventing. Peter Parker is Iconic and established.

To me it would be like casting a black guy to play Richard Nixon. But I MUST BE RACIST because I would find that strange.
I can't find a single part of this post that isn't wrong.

Except maybe the you're racist part.

[nikolai]

but i just addressed your argument

if he played it well, then it wouldn't an issue

just as this donald glover could very well play the character of spiderman to a tee, and his skin color need not detract from his acting ability nor your enjoyment of the performance

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Nik would support Angella Basset in the next remake of Queen Elizabeth.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Wolverine wasn't born in medieval europe, he was born in feudal japan!

[Qwo]

flail flail flail

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Race doesn't matter in the real world, but in character portrayal it very much does.

If that makes me racist, well, point me to the Grand Wizard.

[Qwo]

http://www.generalanytopic.com/forum/imagehosting/10634c058550bc39f.gif

[nikolai]

Nik would support Angella Basset in the next remake of Queen Elizabeth.

of course I would, it would be a chance for an actress to break out of the limited type-casting she's experienced at the hands of a racist hollywood and a racist audience

[Nevets]

how dare they cast a woman as peter pan

HE'S A MAN, HIS CHARACTER IS A MAN

how strange, how forced.

One of the more confusing aspects of my childhood.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Guys, let's make a biographical movie about Oprah. We'll cast Sung Hi Lee as Oprah.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

I have been successfully trolled by Nik. He is a clever troll that one.

[nikolai]

you're hitting on the crux of the argument, d8, very astute of you

that the racism, sexism, or discrimination occurs when people think of what is and what is not acceptable during casting for roles

[jaf]

You're not right; you're delusional.

So you'd be ok with making a new Xmen movie where Storm is a blonde cheerleader from Beverly Hills?


edit: I'm no more caught up with race than I am with gender, hair color and nationality. Don't fuck with a character just to be PC.

Especially not a character that's been around longer than you have.
the flaw in your logic here is that making someone a cheerleader from beverly hills would necessarily alter their personality. making them black wouldn't. it could be the exact same character, but black. what you're saying in this analogy is that you believe a black person essentially could not fill the role of a traditionally white character without radically altering how that character acted

like you expect that donald glover would be swinging around new york eating watermelons or something

[Tickle Me D8alus]

you're hitting on the crux of the argument, d8, very astute of you

that the racism, sexism, or otherwise discrimination occurs when people think of what is and what is not acceptable during casting for roles

It is not racist or sexist. It is simply fitting the actor to the character.

Square peg, round hole, nik.

Also, I'd probably watch a movie with Sung Hi Lee as Oprah.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

the flaw in your logic here is that making someone a cheerleader from beverly hills would necessarily alter their personality. making them black wouldn't. it could be the exact same character, but black. what you're saying in this analogy is that you believe a black person essentially could not fill the role of a traditionally white character without radically altering how that character acted

like you expect that donald glover would be swinging around new york eating watermelons or something

You got something against cheerleaders, Jafster?

[nikolai]

it's probably because in alabama and tennessee, the culture of african-americans in the south has been limited to a very specific identity and role in society due to centuries of subjugation and racism

unfortunately, it's very hard to break out of that mindset, for both white people and black people, because you live and breathe that mentality everyday. the only way to break free, really, is to leave.

but if you were to go somewhere a little more cosmopolitan, you would find that people do not conform to such a limited concept of identity

[jaf]

i also think you're ignoring the difference between an actor playing a real historical person and a conceptual character

white oprah is odd because oprah is a real person and she's actually black, and a lot of her personal story is centered around being black

the same could not be said of the character peter parker

[Tickle Me D8alus]

it's probably because in alabama and tennessee, the culture of african-americans in the south has been limited to a very specific identity and role in society due to centuries of subjugation and racism

unfortunately, it's very hard to break out of that mindset, for both white people and black people, because you live and breathe that mentality everyday. the only way to break free, really, is to leave.

but if you were to go somewhere a little more cosmopolitan, you would find that people do not conform to such a limited concept of identity

Dude, I know you won't believe this, but I am not even the teensiest slightest bit racist.

It has nothing to do with african-american culture and everything to do with character aesthetics. You don't change icons.

Doing so for equality reasons is actually racist. Arguing that they should be left alone is not racist.

[Blackferne]

d8 list 5 ESSENTIAL traits peter parker has to have to be credible in your view. Is being white one of them? If not then it shouldn't be a problem, if it is a problem you need to be able to justify why that is important.

Good for Mr. Glover. He is gonna be great, he's gonna be great.

[Blackferne]

In other words, could you make a hamlet with black Hamlet?

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

LOL Im from California troll Nik.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

d8 list 5 ESSENTIAL traits peter parker has to have to be credible in your view. Is being white one of them? If not then it shouldn't be a problem, if it is a problem you need to be able to justify why that is important.

Good for Mr. Glover. He is gonna be great, he's gonna be great.

It is important because that's the character Stan Lee created 50 years ago.

[nikolai]

Dude, I know you won't believe this, but I am not even the teensiest slightest bit racist.


This thread is conclusive proof that you have racist views on some things.

I'm not saying you're gonna go lynch people, dude. I'm not saying you're evil.

I am saying that you are wrong in your views on this subject, though.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

In other words, could you make a hamlet with black Hamlet?

Could you make an Othello with a white Othello?

[jaf]

come on

lives in a slummy new york neighborhood. raised by his aunt and uncle, one of whom is shot and killed in the street. likes white women

[Tickle Me D8alus]

This thread is conclusive proof that you have racist views on some things.

I'm not saying you're gonna go lynch people, dude. I'm not saying you're evil.

I am saying that you are wrong in your views on this subject, though.

That's not conclusive proof. It's just your opinion.

I wouldn't like to see a blue and purple Santa clause outfit, either. Doesn't make me colorist.

[nikolai]

LOL Im from California troll Nik.

I know you're from California. But perhaps you've gone native.

[Blackferne]

It is important because that's the character Stan Lee created 50 years ago.

This is my problem with comic book supernerds. At some point you should have learned that these stories have passed the threshold of purely Stan Lee's creation into a societal myth. Now when the society takes ownership of it, it becomes bigger that Stan Lee or Marvel. I would have thought the dozens of movies that haven't been faithful to the comic source material, yet were still good would have taught that point.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

HEY GUYS HOW ABOUT?


Toby Maguire as Tom Robinson in to Kill a Mockingbird?

I think it would be a great oppurtunity to re-tell it as bla bla bla are they still responding to me?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxfsndVM3o1qactqso1_500.jpg

[Nevets]

It is important because that's the character Stan Lee created 50 years ago.

and if stan lee is ok with a black spiderman?

[Cronk]

they can make a spiderman for our generation!

spiderman: the west side story

[Tickle Me D8alus]

This is my problem with comic book supernerds. At some point you should have learned that these stories have passed the threshold of purely Stan Lee's creation into a societal myth. Now when the society takes ownership of it, it becomes bigger that Stan Lee or Marvel. I would have thought the dozens of movies that haven't been faithful to the comic source material, yet were still good would have taught that point.

And every single one of those movies has retained the basic components of the characters.

Including appearance.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

and if stan lee is ok with a black spiderman?

I'm ok with a black spiderman. I am not ok with a black peter parker.

[jaf]

HEY GUYS HOW ABOUT?


Toby Maguire as Tom Robinson in to Kill a Mockingbird?
come on surfer, it's like you're actively ignoring the point

that story centers around race relations, so obviously there's racially specific roles to be played there

whereas spiderman's story does not. it's not like his enemies include the black panthers or something

[Blackferne]

Could you make an Othello with a white Othello?

Yes. Just flip the dominant racial setting. Instead of happening in Italy it happens in Morocco. PROBLEM SOLVED!

[nikolai]

do you think that throwing out examples of relative casting situations is appropriately addressing my argument?

well, it's clear you do. but you aren't giving my thoughts the intellectual credibility that they deserve.

if I thought you were irredeemable assholes, I'd just label you something and carry on my way. clearly I am not trolling, and clearly I want you to step outside of yourselves and consider my words.

[jaf]

instead of making spiderman black, they should make him fight the black panthers

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Yes. Just flip the dominant racial setting. Instead of happening in Italy it happens in Morocco. PROBLEM SOLVED!

Ah, but you still have to make racial adjustments.

Is that not racist in and of itself?

[jaf]

Ah, but you still have to make racial adjustments.

Is that not racist in and of itself?no

some stories are based around racial conflict. as in, race relations are essential to the storyline

spiderman is not such a story

you just can't imagine a world where peter parker is black

[Tickle Me D8alus]

do you think that throwing out examples of relative casting situations is appropriately addressing my argument?

well, it's clear you do. but you aren't giving my thoughts the intellectual credibility that they deserve.

if I thought you were irredeemable assholes, I'd just label you something and carry on my way. clearly I am not trolling, and clearly I want you to step outside of yourself and consider my words.

Well, if you'd stop pontificating you'd realize that I have considered your words and considered them foolish and misguided.

You are not infallible and have not provided any real proof that appearance is not part of identity.

[Blackferne]

Ah, but you still have to make racial adjustments.

Is that not racist in and of itself?

Well Othello has race as a PROMINENT theme. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Spiderman does.

[jaf]

is this really that hard a concept to grasp?

[Tickle Me D8alus]

no

some stories are based around racial conflict. as in, race relations are essential to the storyline

spiderman is not such a story

you just can't imagine a world where peter parker is black

I also can't imagine a world where Ororo Monroe isn't.

[Blackferne]

no

some stories are based around racial conflict. as in, race relations are essential to the storyline

spiderman is not such a story

you just can't imagine a world where peter parker is black

D8 just wants spiderman to be fighting criminals instead of....being a criminal.

[jaf]

i mean, can you admit there's a difference between the role that race plays in the storyline of othello or to kill a mockingbird and spiderman

your examples aren't equitable

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

come on surfer, it's like you're actively ignoring the point

that story centers around race relations, so obviously there's racially specific roles to be played there

whereas spiderman's story does not. it's not like his enemies include the black panthers or something

No No, The point is to me his image is just as established as any historical figure. So as I said earlier It would be like casting a black guy as Richard Nixon. That's how I view Peter Parker.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

i mean, can you admit there's a difference between the role that race plays in the storyline of othello or to kill a mockingbird and spiderman

Hey, my othello comment was in response to hamlet, not spiderman.

[Blackferne]

Peter Parker being black I wouldn't have a problem with. Hell if they made the next 007 a woman I wouldn't have a problem with that either as long as she still slept with many women and drank like a fish.

Call me...postmodern man.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

I also can't imagine a world where Ororo Monroe isn't.

Well Halle Barry is Half black/Half white right?

[nikolai]

Well, if you'd stop pontificating you'd realize that I have considered your words and considered them foolish and misguided.

You are not infallible and have not provided any real proof that appearance is not part of identity.

i pontificate because i am a pope of the house of the apostles of eris

[jaf]

to reiterate my point, try flipping the race of any other character that isn't stepped in racial issues

like, black bruce banner

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Peter Parker being black I wouldn't have a problem with. Hell if they made the next 007 a woman I wouldn't have a problem with that either as long as she still slept with many women and drank like a fish.

Call me...postmodern man.

The difference is that 007 is the agent designation.

What would you say about James Bond being a woman? Would not the entire story come off as hackneyed?

[Blackferne]

No No, The point is to me his image is just as established as any historical figure. So as I said earlier It would be like casting a black guy as Richard Nixon. That's how I view Peter Parker.

Nixon REALLY existed.

Parker has not existed except as a fictional character.

If his image is firmly established past that of a historical figure that is your problem.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Peter Parker being black I wouldn't have a problem with. Hell if they made the next 007 a woman I wouldn't have a problem with that either as long as she still slept with many women and drank like a fish.

Call me...postmodern man.

See I was ok with Black 007 because he is a changing character.

However a 007 without an English Accent I would find retarded.

Thats how I view this Peter Parker argument.

I want Peter Parker to LOOK like Peter Parker.

I want 007 to SOUND like 007. Black or White or Women.. as long as he was same character. Like Blackferne said she would have to be Lesbian though. I guess that makes me sexist too in Nik's mind.

[Blackferne]

to reiterate my point, try flipping the race of any other character that isn't stepped in racial issues

like, black bruce banner

Well I don't know if I want to see an angry black man.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Well Halle Barry is Half black/Half white right?

Halle Berry was a horrible, horrible Storm.

[jaf]

No No, The point is to me his image is just as established as any historical figure. So as I said earlier It would be like casting a black guy as Richard Nixon. That's how I view Peter Parker.this is a more valid point, but i guess you're just a nerd who thinks of cartoon characters as real people

[nikolai]

you should get the guy who played Black Dynamite to play Richard Nixon.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

to reiterate my point, try flipping the race of any other character that isn't stepped in racial issues

like, black bruce banner

Im O.K. With Black Bruce banner because I do not have such a defined image of Bruce Banner in my head. I do not see him as defined historically in my mind as Peter Parker. Or a Black Wolverine that would be odd.

[nikolai]

getting bogged down in examples is your way of avoiding that you're wrong

also declaring some preemptive victory, or ridicule, at what is obviously a legitimate point, is also an avoidance mechanism

[jaf]

nik i think this has less to do with them being racist and more to do with the fact that they're huge dorks who are immensely invested in these characters

[Blackferne]

So surfer this isn't so much "OMG STAY TRUE TO ORIGINAL CHARACTER" as "STOP RAPING MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES!"

My response, grow up. There are PLENTY of resources to get your white spidey fix.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

I would hate a black Bruce Banner.

Hell, I'd hate a black Tony Stark, too. But I'd be fine with a black Iron Man...and in fact, Jim Rhodes (War Machine...black guy, btw) took over AS Iron Man for a while in the comics when Stark was incapacitated. That didn't bother me at all because the mantle was being passed but the characters weren't being arbitrarily redefined.

[nikolai]

that wouldn't be nearly as fun, jaf

[Qwo]

Wolverine has a reason to not be black other than the fact that people drew him with white skin

Peter Parker does not

[Nevets]

hehe, doe snot.

[jaf]

the characters weren't being arbitrarily redefined.
the fact that you think changing a character's skin means that they're being "redefined" is a little racist

like, not angry redneck racist

but cross the street when you see a few black guys coming racist

[Tickle Me D8alus]

nik i think this has less to do with them being racist and more to do with the fact that they're huge dorks who are immensely invested in these characters

Pretty much.

Also, I prefer the term "geek".

[nikolai]

i would now like to move to the more progressive position of "calling anyone white/black/etc" is in itself racist

[Organizer]

I'd prefer if Peter Parker remained white

am I a racist

[Blackferne]

Now I guess I would have a problem with them using this as a way to make a hiphop spidey, because that is betraying his nerd roots, which I consider to be character defining. But I will withhold opinions until we see trailers on that aspect.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

the fact that you think changing a character's skin means that they're being "redefined" is a little racist

No it's not.

It'd be the same as changing their hair color (not dyeing, but changing) or place of birth or birthday.

Barbara Gordon is a redhead. Ororo Monroe has white hair. Charles Xavier is bald.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

getting bogged down in examples is your way of avoiding that you're wrong

also declaring some preemptive victory, or ridicule, at what is obviously a legitimate point, is also an avoidance mechanism

The harder you keep looking for racism the easier it is to see you are trying to make up for your own doubts about yourself.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

i would now like to move to the more progressive position of "calling anyone white/black/etc" is in itself racist

Poppycock. Ethnicity exists. Acknowledging it isn't racist. Attempting to fit it into a hierarchy is.

[nikolai]

nice try, ad hominem

[jaf]

donald glover would fit spiderman's personality pretty well, judging from his previous work

[jaf]

No it's not.

It'd be the same as changing their hair color (not dyeing, but changing) or place of birth or birthday.

Barbara Gordon is a redhead. Ororo Monroe has white hair. Charles Xavier is bald.
i think there's a difference in changing aesthetics like hair or skin color and changing the time and place a character was born, because the later would alter their essential story while the rest is inconsequential

[nikolai]

Poppycock. Ethnicity exists. Acknowledging it isn't racist. Attempting to fit it into a hierarchy is.

You can call me American. It describes my relative cultural background, my mixed ancestry, and it is accurate to my citizenship.

What you can't do is call me white, and expect that to mean anything. It does not describe my skin color. I'm rather tan, even when I'm pale.

[Cronk]

they can make a spiderman for our generation!

spiderman: the west side story

hahaha brilliant use of double meaning!

kudos to you sir!

[Cronk]

shit

i'm not on my fa account

[Tickle Me D8alus]

like, not angry redneck racist

but cross the street when you see a few black guys coming racist

hahaha, I don't cross the street unless they're visibly armed and then it's less about racism and more about security.

[Blackferne]

hahaha, I don't cross the street unless they're visibly armed and then it's less about racism and more about security.

So what if the armed guy was white?

[Tickle Me D8alus]

You can call me American. It describes my relative cultural background, my mixed ancestry, and it is accurate to my citizenship.

What you can't do is call me white, and expect that to mean anything. It does not describe my skin color. I'm rather tan, even when I'm pale.

This is a whole other animal.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

i would now like to move to the more progressive position of "calling anyone white/black/etc" is in itself racist

I check prefer not to answer on job applications/census because I agree with that in principal.

My whole argument here is now about race but about How I see Peter Parker. I define him in my mind on how he looks it has nothing to do with racism.

Lets say this.. I should have used this as an example to begin with.


I would not want a blond or red haired peter parker either.

[nikolai]

what if the man coming down the street was

http://goregirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/still-from-black-dynamite2.jpg

[Tickle Me D8alus]

So what if the armed guy was white?

Dude. He's armed, I'm not. What the fuck do you think?

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Poppycock. Ethnicity exists. Acknowledging it isn't racist. Attempting to fit it into a hierarchy is.

yeah but Race was originally defined as Negro, Caucasian and Mongoloid. That's the big 3 genetically.

We keep re-defining it to a smaller and smaller sub sets does that not seem like a racist action?

[Qwo]

well good thing a black peter parker would have brown hair

like normal godly untouchable peter parker

problem solved

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Good talk.

I'm bored now.

Can we agree to disagree?

You can think I'm an uneducated bigot and I can think you're an uncultured hippie.

[jaf]

i think nik is assuming too much based on someone being from alabama or tennessee

i also think d8 and surfer should let go of their dedication to the same boring portrayal of a character for the millionth time and admit that it might be nice to change up something, as long as it didn't completely go in the face of spiderman's story

[Blackferne]

Dude. He's armed, I'm not. What the fuck do you think?

Glad you are scared of all cops. :lol:

[jaf]

i also think blackferne's a great guy and he's going to do great

[Tickle Me D8alus]

yeah but Race was originally defined as Negro, Caucasian and Mongoloid.

We keep re-defining it to a smaller and smaller sub sets does that not seem like a racist action?

Ethnicity still exists. Just because it was previously ill-defined and is constantly being updated doesn't make it racist. Just means we're narrowing down the categories.

Feline and Canine aren't racist, they're just classifications.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Glad you are scared of all cops. :lol:

No one is so clean that the presence of authority doesn't give them pause.

[Nevets]

A black spiderman wouldn't work because his large african american penis would be too noticeable in the suit.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Ethnicity still exists. Just because it was previously ill-defined and is constantly being updated doesn't make it racist. Just means we're narrowing down the categories.

Feline and Canine aren't racist, they're just classifications.

Spanish + Native American = Hispanic

Spanish + Mongolian = Hispanic?

Of the 3 main genetic pools this would be a required label based on our sub labeling.

[Cronk]

i think nik is assuming too much based on someone being from alabama or tennessee

i also think d8 and surfer should let go of their dedication to the same boring portrayal of a character for the millionth time and admit that it might be nice to change up something, as long as it didn't completely go in the face of spiderman's story

i think if they cast him because they want to change something up a bit, it's going to be a shit movie and i want no part of it

so no, it wouldn't be nice to "change up something", but i guess i'd be ok with this if he is the strongest actor for the part

[jaf]

Ethnicity still exists. Just because it was previously ill-defined and is constantly being updated doesn't make it racist. Just means we're narrowing down the categories.

Feline and Canine aren't racist, they're just classifications.
this is retarded man

cats and dogs are separate species. they can't interbreed

we aren't "narrowing down" the categories. they're arbitrary designations for a spectrum of physical features

it's not like one day a scientist will look up from his microscope and exclaim that he's found the one true hispanic

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Dont quote that unedited post of mine lol Mexican..

[jaf]

that would make a pretty good movie though

[jaf]

i think if they cast him because they want to change something up a bit, it's going to be a shit movie and i want no part of it

so no, it wouldn't be nice to "change up something", but i guess i'd be ok with this if he is the strongest actor for the partfair point

[Tickle Me D8alus]

Now, requiring ethnicity on job applications is absolutely ludicrous.

[jaf]

A black spiderman wouldn't work because his large african american penis would be too noticeable in the suit.finally an argument that makes sense

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

Now, requiring ethnicity on job applications is absolutely ludicrous.

Right because the available choices are based more on looks than a genetic discrepancy.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

this is retarded man

cats and dogs are separate species. they can't interbreed

we aren't "narrowing down" the categories. they're arbitrary designations for a spectrum of physical features

it's not like one day a scientist will look up from his microscope and exclaim that he's found the one true hispanic

Fair point. Poor analogy.

Switch to medieval french and english.

[Cronk]

for the record, if he whines about not getting a chance to audition he's deluding himself

a very, very large part of casting is if the person "looks the part". it's totally up to the director if he's willing to change his perception on what that part has to look like

if he pulls any kind of a race card here, he can go fuck himself because he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

ITT we learned that D8 is a racist bastard.

[jaf]

guys we have a black president

i think the world is ready for a black spiderman

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

for the record, if he whines about not getting a chance to audition he's deluding himself

a very, very large part of casting is if the person "looks the part". it's totally up to the director if he's willing to change his perception on what that part has to look like

if he pulls any kind of a race card here, he can go fuck himself because he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Nick would give him that leg.

Nik Would also support a white actor as a Jamaican.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

guys we have a black president

i think the world is ready for a black spiderman

There is a massive difference between a black spiderman and a black peter parker.

[Cronk]

Nick would give him that leg.

Nik Would also support a white actor as a Jamaican.

well considering how much "looking the part" has to do with movies and casting, that's pretty stupid

if he said "why shouldn't i get a chance to audition?" the director could say "you're black" and it's not the slightest bit racist

[Cronk]

There is a massive difference between a black spiderman and a black peter parker.

yea a black spiderman can hide his blackness

his shame

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

yea a black spiderman can hide his blackness

his shame

beat me to it. with winning sarcasm as well.

[Cronk]

YouTube- Robin Hood: Men in Tights, Black Sheriff

posted for blinkin's line

[jaf]

There is a massive difference between a black spiderman and a black peter parker.

i can see how you'd think that

but look at it from the viewpoint of someone who isn't racist

[jaf]

i was going to say giant nerd but that was funnier so i changed it on the fly

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

i was going to say giant nerd but that was funnier so i changed it on the fly

PFFFT really you guys did not grow up with the Spider man Cartoon? Who the fuck is comic book nerd anymore?


Oh D8lus?

proceed.

[nikolai]

Nick would give him that leg.

Nik Would also support a white actor as a Jamaican.

do you realize that jamaicans aren't of entirely african descent

like some chinese workers immigrated there too

some scottish/irish workers

same goes for most of the caribbean

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

do you realize that jamaicans aren't of entirely african descent

like some chinese workers immigrated there too

some scottish/irish workers

same goes for most of the caribbean

seriously Nik.... seriously... your faux intellectual morality is getting tiring. You knew exactly the context in to which I was referring. Are you feigning ignorance or just so high up that its creating ignorance?

[jaf]

basically the problem here is that d8 and surfer naturally associate peter parker with being white

they probably imagined themselves as him when they were kids

and the idea that a dirty black kid could also have done that disgusts them

[nikolai]

your dumb examples of who i would support for casting in a movie got tiring like a million posts ago

like pretty much any example you can throw at me i'm going to be okay with

so you can stop posting them endlessly

[Cronk]

you can't backtrack jaf

you already nailed it a while ago. this is a geek thing not a racism thing

[jaf]

really all they're saying is that they aren't racist, they just want peter parker to be white because that's the way it's always been

[Lokais]

When I was a kid I visited a black Santa. I still got my presents that year.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

SUCCESSFUL TROLLS ARE SUCCESSFUL!

[nikolai]

i didn't troll one bit

[jaf]

really all they're saying is that they aren't racist, they just want peter parker to be white because that's the way it's always been

just like when we wouldn't let blacks vote because that was the way it had always been

[nikolai]

i really just can't see a black man as a president, you know, i'm not racist or anything

it's just that the office of president, you know the character of the president,

you know, well, it was written as a white man

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

i didn't troll one bit

Its ok you managed to get me upset you trolled quite well.

[nikolai]

that's not trolling, that's cognitive dissonance

[jaf]

i like this better because you know there's people that want to respond but they can't

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

that's not trolling, that's cognitive dissonance

I gotta run I will deal with your punishment for trolling later.

[jaf]

i hope it's a butt thing

[nikolai]

I don't know, surfer, I wouldn't have casted you for the BDSM type

[jaf]

you gotta be quicker than that boy

[nikolai]

goddamnit jaf

[nikolai]

we missed out on a great cronkfest though

maybe we should unlock it

[jaf]

so a white guy can't be cast as a BDSM

hypocrite

[nikolai]

look bro, i'm not racist

i just can't see a white guy who acts like hes from tennessee play the BDSM role

i mean

would you cast surfer as queen elizabeth? ha! i thought not!

[jaf]

did i really just waste the last three hours arguing about black spiderman

i need to stop getting high

[Farrrrt]

This is a great thread because it outs racists

[Cronk]

did i really just waste the last three hours arguing about black spiderman

i need to stop getting high

nothing has made me re-evaluate life more than cyclical gat threads

[DaftVapor]

Now, requiring ethnicity on job applications is absolutely ludicrous.

you mean like requiring ethnicity for the job of playing peter parker





yeah that was too easy. come on, man.

[Cronk]

if he said "why shouldn't i get a chance to audition?" the director could say "you're black" and it's not the slightest bit racist

i thought someone would argue this one for sure

so does that mean i won the thread? because if you can't argue that point it means i won

[jaf]

well i mean of course you're wrong

but we've already explained why

[Cronk]

in fairness i skimmed the thread because i only appreciate bad threads if i help create them

can you address that specific point or no?

[Cronk]

come on what's another hour

[Farrrrt]

so you're saying intentionally discriminating against certain races is in fact not racism.

No I can't see any holes in that cronk, I guess you win the thread after all!

[DaftVapor]

this is the closest we've come to a d8 thread in a while

good times

[jaf]

in fairness i skimmed the thread because i only appreciate bad threads if i help create them

can you address that specific point or no?

because nothing about the character of peter parker exclusively identifies him with being white except that he was originally drawn that way

like, he wasn't born in a remote fjord in norway and he doesn't have problems getting a loan

[Qwo]

in fairness most people ignore your posts

[Qwo]

guess who that's directed at

[Cronk]

so you're saying intentionally discriminating against certain races is in fact not racism.

No I can't see any holes in that cronk, I guess you win the thread after all!

it's not discriminating against a certain race

it's discriminating against all races other than the desired one

get it right

[Cronk]

which is perfectly acceptable when casting btw

[nikolai]

acceptable in a racist country, obviously, that's why it's the status quo

[Lokais]

If they ever make a movie about me I want that fat chick from push to play me as an adult and data from goonies to play me as a child.

[Cronk]

they could say the same thing about an actors build, facial features, freckles, whatever

it's one of the reasons good headshots are so important. because, like, appearance plays a pretty damned big factor.

[Tickle Me D8alus]

hahaha, this is still going?

[Lokais]

I'd like to see more Eskimo actresses playing slaves in civil war movies.

[Cronk]

if it's acceptable to toss an actor out of contention for having too many freckles, i don't see why it's suddenly wrong to do the same over skin color

[nikolai]

paradigm blind

[Lokais]

In the latest Mickey Mouse cartoon, we've decided to go with Eddie Murphy as Mickey and a horse as Donald Duck.

[Cronk]

paradigm blind

pretend for a moment that i'm not a philosophy major and you're not a pretentious blowhard

otherwise there's nothing less to discuss

[Cronk]

hmmm that sentence would probably have worked better if i didn't change gears midway through

alas

[nikolai]

i'm not graduating with a degree in philosophy

[DaftVapor]

he means that being used to seeing "how things are" you can't even consider how they could be any other way.

[nikolai]

PH.D in DOUCHEBAG, M.A. in ASSHOLE, B.A. in PRETENTIOUS BLOWHARD, with a minor in Women's Studies.

[$1.25]

don glovers head is too round to be spiderman

hell look weird with the mask on

like a cantaloupe

[jaf]

ahahahahaha it's true

[Lokais]

Too bad watermelons aren't round because it would have fit this thread better.

[Cronk]

he means that being used to seeing "how things are" you can't even consider how they could be any other way.

that's a stupid argument made from a position of ignorance about how casting is done

unless he wants to say we shouldn't judge actors based on how they look and only on their acting talent

[jaf]

look i don't think anyone's going to argue that a black man is the equal of a white man

but we need to pretend they are for equality's sake

[Lokais]

I'm only racist because I read newspapers that perpetuate racism. In Belgian.

[Penguinoccio]

I almost replied to d8's post on the first page then I saw this thread was 6 pages long.

It's not worth the read, is it?

[jaf]

i make some really funny posts

but no not really

[DUATE]

what the hell happened in here

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

what the hell happened in here

Nik assumes D8 is racist. I also agreed Black spiderman would be wierd. Nik assumes I am racist. I also think Spiderman with blonde hair would be wierd Nik continues to call me a racist. Jaf agrees with Nik then understands my point but jumps back on me for fun. Farr and Qwo try to troll but is pitiful.


pretty much thread.

[Cronk]

ahahhhahahahahhahahahahahahaaa

i like his punishment

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

ahahhhahahahahhahahahahahahaaa

i like his punishment

There are 6 certainties on gat.. or things mentioned/noticed ad nausea.

~FA~ Needs drama in her life.
Lokais is a publisher.
D2 will always get creepier.
Qwo wants to be me.
Kzin travels places.
and Nikolai likes black girls.

[DellisTantor 2.0]

I didn't read all five pages of your nonsense ideas and opinions, but...does nobody even give a shit about respecting the source material? He shouldn't be black, because the original character, or any rendition of the character has ever been black. It's not a race thing, it's a respect to the original creator's source material. Blade was black, but I garantee if they let a white guy play the character, black people would have majorly pissed off. So, fuck you black people, stop trying to make everything that's white into something black. We don't try to take your black stuff and turn it white....unless you count emenem but we apologized for him already.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

I didn't read all five pages of your nonsense ideas and opinions, but...does nobody even give a shit about respecting the source material? He shouldn't be black, because the original character, or any rendition of the character has ever been black. It's not a race thing, it's a respect to the original creator's source material. Blade was black, but I garantee if they let a white guy play the character, black people would have majorly pissed off. So, fuck you black people, stop trying to make everything that's white into something black. We don't try to take your black stuff and turn it white....unless you count emenem but we apologized for him already.

You cant pose a non racist argument by turning around and being racist by the end of the argument :lol:

[Kzin]

A black guy with an Uncle Ben?

Product placement revenue bonanza.

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

A black guy with an Uncle Ben?

Product placement revenue bonanza.

/thread

[DUATE]

blonde spiderman would be all sorts of fucked up

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

blonde spiderman would be all sorts of fucked up

THATS WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING!!

apparently im still racist.. at least Nik will continue to try to prove.

[DellisTantor 2.0]

If you want to call me racist, fine. All I'm saying is, there are plenty of black super heroes out there that black people can play. If that character wasn't popular enough of a character to turn into a movie, then you only have your selves to blame for that. Maybe black people should be more supportive of their black super heroes.

I wouldn't make a movie about Cyborg from DC Comics and even imagine turning him into a white guy. It's just like with the old Justice League cartoon, instead of keeping Green Lantern a white guy, they wanted a token black guy, but instead of just replacing Green Lantern with an already established black character, they take the only black green lantern that was only a green lantern for like...ten issues, then made him into a mainstream character.

It's just...ridiculous in my opinion.

[DellisTantor 2.0]

blonde spiderman would be all sorts of fucked up

Spider-clone Ben Riley was blond.

[Kzin]

Wouldn't Peter being a person of color change the whole dynamic of J. Jonah Jameson's abusive treatment of Parker?

Does Spike Lee have to direct this?

[DUATE]

i'd rather not see donald glover playing in some shitty superhero movie that might bomb and hurt his career. that kid is way too cool to be snuffed out this early.

[Blackferne]

...If that character wasn't popular enough of a character to turn into a movie, then you only have your selves to blame for that. Maybe black people should be more supportive of their black super heroes.
...

The REAL reason we shouldn't get a black spiderman, blacks should support their own superheroes.

[Kzin]

Shaq can be in the Fantastic Four reboot .... Ben Grimm transforms into Shaq instead of a big living rock and all of Johnny's jokes at his expense are just racist taunts. Edgy.

[DaftVapor]

Spider-clone Ben Riley was blond.

and the clone saga was a blight on the series that can never be erased

[nikolai]

it's a good name, but it breaks the formatting of the forum. maybe you can shorten it to something more witty.

if you're into that whole brevity thing

[Hitler Bad-Surfer Good]

just make sure you dont post last for a while.

[Qwo]

Qwo wants to be me.
wait what is this

you're one of the worst posters on GAT

[Welshy]

i'm looking forward to seeing spidaman